Wednesday, June 09, 2004

The Daily Zen is on a roll. Why do I like this one so much? What does it mean?

No form, no sound.
Here I am;
White clouds fringing the peaks,
River cutting through the valley.

- Daito

14 comments:

Dave said...

I think it's a first person description of a fart. A silent one, anyway...

Jo said...

Dave - I would have never have thought of that in a million years, lol

Randy - reading that I had flashbacks of being in nature...silent and peaceful and just feeling like I am one with nature. Maybe that is what having no form means? I love my walks at dusk. I feel so part of the air and universe that it's just weird. (okay so I'm weird, what else is new? lol)

Brenda said...

I've tried and tried, and the more I read it, the less it makes sense. If you cut out the "no form, no sound" part, then it would be something I could work with.

What do YOU think it means, Randy?

Randy said...

I think it's probably got to do with the notion that the self really is nonexistent, impermanent, and just a mental construct. So Jo probably is correct about being one with nature.

Lance said...

I tried to think of what it meant, but I can't think seriously about it after Dave's comment! LOL! Dave, you're one sick puppy!

Dave said...

OK, to be serious (Dave tenses up with the effort involved), I think the idea of it being just our mental construct is a good one.

I just watched Mystic River last night for the first time (and let me say that it lends a whole new meaning to what Doug was driving at with Mystic Quiver – makes me retroactively laugh), and I think the point of that movie title in the context of the story is very much in line with what Randy described. One small rock in the river might make its path diverge, taking part of it somewhere else completely.

I think I could think about this for a good few months and still not get a handle on the magnitude of it.

Randy said...

Hmmm. I like Dave's interpretation. Kind of reminds me of that Talking Heads song about the days going on and the water flowing, or whatever. I've been meaning to watch Mystic River, BTW.

How about seeing the clouds and the river as metaphors for our minds? No sound, no form, but capable of imagining great and beautiful things and thinking great thoughts.

Brenda said...

That's where I get stuck. Rivers makes noise -- from a thundering roar to a quiet trickling sound. Maybe the state of mind can be silent like a cloud -- hovering above everything, bringing beauty and wonder everywhere it goes. Or our state of mind can be full of thunderous roaring sounds, destroying anything in its path -- just like a river.

Mystic River scared the daylights out of me. Good for you for seeing the metaphor in it, Dave. I could only experience it on its basic level of fear, trauma, and abuse. Good movie, though.

Jo said...

I bought the Mystic River book on a business trip some months ago but it is unread in the stack of books I will get to someday before I go blind, too. I bought the movie last night. Will watch it tonight.

I like your conclusion, Randy.

Dave said...

You know, it could be like a recommendation for open mindedness. “No form, no sound…” Allow your experience to range as openly as from the peaks of the mountain where the clouds are to the lowest point in a valley, the river.

But you know, it’s one of those little snippets that could be interpreted a million different ways. That’s why I think I’ll stick to “a fart announcing its silent arrival.”

Jo said...

yeah open mindedness brings calmness I think. no boundaries

Randy said...

Dave, I think you're right that there are a whole lot of possibly correct interpretations. I love having things open-ended and subject to interpretation. It certainly makes for great discussion. That's one reason I love that one HBO show so much.

Jo said...

I'm excited to hear what the Daily Zen has to say today........I can't stand the suspense!!!

Brenda said...

Here's a Zen thought for you:

I exist neither in Aimoo
nor in blog form
I exist only in my mind now

Fondly,
Brenda